Archive for October, 2010

October 14, 2010 Quick Summary

We discussed Romans 11:25 and began reading the remaining verses of the chapter. (We will probably complete our study of the remaining verses by discussing one bit of commentary and the related verse(s) at a time.) Of note:

  • God’s plan is a mystery, especially why He chose not to save everyone from the start. Perhaps He wished to make salvation more valuable to us or to foster our dependence on Him — doubtless He had some reason related to our good. Also, though time is a part of life for us, all times are the present to God, Who is eternal.
  • God allows the chosen to sin and uses their sins to provide the opportunity of salvation to all people. He wants to save everyone. Also, no one falls into hell; one must jump there with both feet.
  • There was (another) lengthy discussion related to salvation and the Jews. We wonder what specifically the Jewish people are waiting for, what they think the messiah will look like if that figure isn’t Jesus. What is life like after death, then? How dreary this waiting must be; apparently it drives some to Islam (?!). Perhaps we can well view our Jewish elder brethren as “unfulfilled Catholics” who are not condemned — sheep, not goats!
  • We will look at the lengthy essay on the salvation of all Israel on the 21st.  We also plan to discuss the fourth application question: “In the context of these verses [33-36], how might you look upon some of the disasters that have befallen Christianity as potential blessings from the Holy Spirit? For example, how might the Holy Spirit use the secularization of modern American culture as a blessing for the Church rather than as a curse?”
  • Also, we have noted that the 2010 all-in-one Ignatius Study Bible NT has extensive (helpful) revisions and additions to the commentary, as compared to the 2003 Romans study softcover.

As usual, the ladies are welcome to comment below.


We discussed Romans 11: 1-24. Of note:

  • v. 4: God is faithful, even if we can’t see it; if we waste grace, He won’t give it to us.
  • v. 8: Is “stupor” the same as “hardness”? Maybe not. Perhaps “stupor” is the warning before “hardness.” The analogy was made of a coma induced for medical reasons, for healing.
  • We talked a great length about the danger of being prideful about practicing the Faith. We need to remember that we’re “grafted” onto the Vine and that just like the “Jews” who rejected Jesus were cut-off the Vine, we can be cut-off — and can be regrafted, too. We also discussed the danger of pushing too hard when we evangelize.
  • We had a detailed discussion of miracles, including that God often gives them to the unknown and those who have weak faith because miracles are for salvation more than for physical healing. On a related note, we talked about suffering with joy while longing for Heaven, and Flannery O’Connor’s famous quote: “She could never be a saint but she thought she could be a martyr if they killed her quick.”

(I’m sorry that I didn’t post this sooner, but the ladies are still welcome to comment below.)

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